Editing issues ( mega-topic ) ( partially unfixed )
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@Nils I appreciate your humility as well. Yeah we're all kind of stuck here together whether we individually choose to "live long and prosper" or "use the force"
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@Boldline said in Editing issues ( mega-topic ) ( partially unfixed ):
The inclusion of the code to checkmark them done is terrific
FYI, if you didn't know that, you can include checkmarks in any text area that parses markdown ( like for topics in this forum software ) with brackets and a space or x between them, like so:
"[ ]" Fixed
"[x]" Fixed
For some reason the parser here requires you to label the checkmarks, with a space before the label.
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@Nils Don't dial back your overall enthusiasm! You have some great ideas and I agree with a large part of it. In some shape or form, it would be nice to have things collected. I wonder what options are available in the forum itself that we have not tapped into yet. When it comes to inevitable passionate disagreements on the forum we usually defer to what @vectoradmin would prefer.
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@Boldline Funny that you commented right in this instance. I was literally in this second, maybe even fraction of a second, about to decide to give up on VS ( which would be very unfortunate since I haven't come across any vector graphics software with its capabilities
), the reason being a constant discovery of new bugs. Talk about Carl Jung's synchronicities..I realize it's still rough around the edges, but at this point I can't be productive with it.
Alternatives? None.. Inkscape? No proper clone or symbol system. Illustrator? Symbol system completely sucks. None of thos even have an elaborate styling system like VS. Sigh..
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@Nils Oh wow! that's cool that we were so in sync like that. it must be a sign!
What kind of work do you do or try to do with VS? What is your definition of a lot of bugs compared to your expectation? I'm not disagreeing there are lots of bugs to be fixed. Is there another program you can use in tandem with VS for a while as these bugs get resolved?I'm sorry you're feeling so frustrated with VS - and with the state of vector programs on the whole. I can relate in some ways to that. I know Illustrator like the back of my hand, but I did not want to go to their subscription model and they have quite a few bugs still in their bloated software. I jumped over to affinity hoping it would be the savior and while it seemed promising, it lacks a lot of common use features and the timetable has slowed to years in between decent updates. The affinity forum is what led me to VS. When I first started using VS at the end of 2019, it seemed to be full of issues and was not usable for my daily professional work. What sold me at the time on sticking with it was the way VS was forward thinking and had powerful tools that when working properly, would give me greater control and ability than what I had in Illustrator or Affinity. I was most impressed by the humility and speed of the developer. I'd email him my thoughts, never expecting a reply back and instead he asked more questions and days later, my suggestions were a part of VS. This made me realize this developer was serious and dedicated and as I found out over time, a genius!
For what it's worth, I'm going to share the way I went about integrating VS into my workflow, even as it was very difficult to use early on in the process. My way is not special or rocket science - just a tried and true method that has gotten me to a much better place now.All through 2020 and 2021 I would use Illustrator for my work and then try each week to do more and more in VS instead - and when I got stuck, I'd move the design back over to Illustrator and finish it there. In the beginning I was doing 5% of my work in VS - over time that number grew and now I'm at 95%
Looking back at last summer when I needed to take a trip and needed to use VS more than usual, to today, I can see dramatic improvement to the program. By the end of 2021, I felt I was ready to make a jump and use VS for everything and rely on my old copy of Illustrator for emergencies. I admit that it's not been without it's struggles. I'm sending in numerous bugs every week by email and on the forum. Taking nothing away from @vectoradmin, VS was always powerful, but for a long time lacked what I needed it to for my professional work. it took time to explain thoroughly what I needed from VS and helping the developer understand clearly so those improvements could be effective. Some issues, I've sent him file after file after file of examples where VS did not do as it needed and while it's taken time, the improvements are monumental. Last summer I could do half my work with VS, 9 months later and I can do 90%. The answer for me was being active and consistent in sticking with VS and sending in every example I could. Build after build, those issues got resolved.
I design tshirts for a living. I remember last year when I was able to completely design a shirt graphic in VS - it was a big moment. It was a simple one color design - but it represented progress, because I was able to do it all in-house in VS. Prior to that point I was always finishing art in other programs. Sticking by VS and putting in the work had paid off!
Today I'm finalizing this softball design in VS and what I can do in VS is far greater because of the time I invested and the dedication to improvements as I dutifully send in bugs and issues.
New features aside, there's still a lot I'd like to see improved in VS as it stands right now. Because I have a system where I can still rely on another program as needed, I'm not as worried about the number of bugs and issues. I can play the long game and enjoy being part of the VS improvement process.
I forget how long you've been a part of the forum and using VS but I know that the longer you are here, the more easy it is to look back over time and see how far VS has come. One of the things that has helped me stay in the VS game has been the opportunity to help shape the future of VS. People wish their favorite program had this feature or that, and with VS, I can ensure the things that matter the most to me in a vector editing program find their way in.
We need your help to make VS more amazing than it is now. The issues you've brought up are terrific and are things others have not seen or knew to look for. Each time I see your posts or posts from others in the group sharing their ideas and the problems and potential solutions to those problems, I can feel VS getting better, one step at a time. One foot in front of the other.Give VS a year - use another trusted program to handle the rest of the tasks VS cannot do right now - focus on getting those issues in front of the developer. See if you can accomplish more each month than the previous as the bugs and issues are worked out methodically. Be selfish in what you focus on - make sure the developer hears from you on exactly the issues keeping you from being able to do the work you expect VS to handle for you. If I can do it, there's no doubt you can also see it through.
Thank you for sharing and contributing your ideas and insight - we all benefit from each other's hard work and commitment.
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@Nils Keep in mind some are just usability issues, where user input is needed — see my last post here, for instance:
