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      Harry @VectorStyler
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      @VectorStyler said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

      @Harry said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

      Examples from Rebelle 5 (one of the best natural stoke simulator in pixel world):

      This will be hard to do with vectors only.

      I know, but results may be surprisingly good!

      Krita have some more options for modifiers/modulators i.e. stylus rotation and tilting.
      They call it sensors. Here is some more info:

      https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/brushes/brush_settings/tablet_sensors.html

      Maybe for future development?

      Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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        b77 @VectorStyler
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        @VectorStyler said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

        This will be hard to do with vectors only.

        I don't think Harry meant that VS should strive to imitate natural media brushes
        accurately like Rebelle does — it's just the random, organic part of the natural
        brushes that are to be imitated in vectors.

        As I suggested, picking random brush contours from a "contour table" (similar to
        wavetables in synths) is one way to achieve this. It's basically stringing them
        together (with the first and last connecting nodes free to move vertically) and
        bending them along the brush spine, then maybe overlapping three brushes
        with different opacities would get you respectably close to the organic quality
        of bitmap brushes.

        MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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          b77 @Subpath
          last edited by b77

          @Subpath I downloaded Alchemy but it's so old that it doesn't work on my Mac.

          MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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            b77
            last edited by b77

            Another way would be to have just one brush contour but don't stretch it — instead repeat it but randomize the nodes.
            Maybe this approach would be faster for "live" drawing.

            MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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              Subpath @b77
              last edited by Subpath

              @b77 said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

              @Subpath I downloaded Alchemy but it's so old that it doesn't work on my Mac.

              that, sad to hear, because its a nice little Tool
              as i wrote works here on Win 10 without any Problem
              despite that it is from 2010

              i will create a video to show some Tools of it
              but this will take yet some time

              Win 11
              CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
              GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                Subpath
                last edited by Subpath

                @b77

                you could try "Webchemy" its a online drawing tool
                in the style of Alchemy, but have much fewer tools.
                But a Pull Brush ( you cant define your own Brushes )
                The Results can be saved as .SVG an PNG.

                Here the Link
                https://webchemy.org/

                0_1670335421195_Webchemy 1.png

                0_1670335430738_Webchemy 2.png

                0_1670335472111_Webchemy 3.png

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                  b77 @Subpath
                  last edited by b77

                  @Subpath Ouch… Webchemy is rough… 🙂

                  MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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                    Subpath @b77
                    last edited by

                    @b77 said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

                    @Subpath Ouch… Webchemy is rough… 🙂

                    thats true 🙂

                    Win 11
                    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                    GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                      Harry
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                      I found temporary workaround also in the Stroke Width panel's menu - there is "Randomize profile" option. Still it's "post production", not "live" and not exactly what I meant:

                      0_1670413680008_obraz_2022-12-07_124800004.png

                      Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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                        VectorStyler @Harry
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                        @Harry If there are some good inspirations on how such a brush should look like, please upload here or send them to me by email.

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                          Harry
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                          Problem is, that I don't know.

                          Let's say I'd like to design some abstract pattern. I would take "Live random effect brush tool", and I would experiment and look for some inspiration from great and interesting shapes this kind of brush could produce.

                          Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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                            Subpath
                            last edited by Subpath

                            @b77, @Harry, @VectorStyler

                            Hi

                            As a source for inspiration, for modulate Strokes, the painting program
                            Black Ink came to mind.

                            "Black Ink" uses a kind of controller nodes to modulate brushes
                            to set and control random strokes and has a node system for layers.

                            0_1670593430294_Black-Ink-1.png

                            Here are some videos

                            Video about the Brush Controllers:
                            Black Ink Brush Controllers

                            Video about Black Inks Layer Nodes:
                            Black Ink Layer Nodes

                            Scattering a Brush may also be interesting
                            her a Video about it
                            Scattering a Brush with Controllers

                            Win 11
                            CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                            GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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