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    • VectorStylerV Offline
      VectorStyler @Harry
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      @Harry said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

      Examples from Rebelle 5 (one of the best natural stoke simulator in pixel world):

      This will be hard to do with vectors only.

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        Harry @VectorStyler
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        @VectorStyler said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

        @Harry said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

        Examples from Rebelle 5 (one of the best natural stoke simulator in pixel world):

        This will be hard to do with vectors only.

        I know, but results may be surprisingly good!

        Krita have some more options for modifiers/modulators i.e. stylus rotation and tilting.
        They call it sensors. Here is some more info:

        https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/brushes/brush_settings/tablet_sensors.html

        Maybe for future development?

        Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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          b77 @VectorStyler
          last edited by b77

          @VectorStyler said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

          This will be hard to do with vectors only.

          I don't think Harry meant that VS should strive to imitate natural media brushes
          accurately like Rebelle does — it's just the random, organic part of the natural
          brushes that are to be imitated in vectors.

          As I suggested, picking random brush contours from a "contour table" (similar to
          wavetables in synths) is one way to achieve this. It's basically stringing them
          together (with the first and last connecting nodes free to move vertically) and
          bending them along the brush spine, then maybe overlapping three brushes
          with different opacities would get you respectably close to the organic quality
          of bitmap brushes.

          MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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            b77 @Subpath
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            @Subpath I downloaded Alchemy but it's so old that it doesn't work on my Mac.

            MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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              b77
              last edited by b77

              Another way would be to have just one brush contour but don't stretch it — instead repeat it but randomize the nodes.
              Maybe this approach would be faster for "live" drawing.

              MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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                Subpath @b77
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                @b77 said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

                @Subpath I downloaded Alchemy but it's so old that it doesn't work on my Mac.

                that, sad to hear, because its a nice little Tool
                as i wrote works here on Win 10 without any Problem
                despite that it is from 2010

                i will create a video to show some Tools of it
                but this will take yet some time

                Win 11
                CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                  Subpath
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                  @b77

                  you could try "Webchemy" its a online drawing tool
                  in the style of Alchemy, but have much fewer tools.
                  But a Pull Brush ( you cant define your own Brushes )
                  The Results can be saved as .SVG an PNG.

                  Here the Link
                  https://webchemy.org/

                  0_1670335421195_Webchemy 1.png

                  0_1670335430738_Webchemy 2.png

                  0_1670335472111_Webchemy 3.png

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                  CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                  GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                    b77 @Subpath
                    last edited by b77

                    @Subpath Ouch… Webchemy is rough… 🙂

                    MacBook Pro (Intel) running Monterey 12.6.4

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                      Subpath @b77
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                      @b77 said in Brush "live" randomization / variation:

                      @Subpath Ouch… Webchemy is rough… 🙂

                      thats true 🙂

                      Win 11
                      CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                      GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                        Harry
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                        I found temporary workaround also in the Stroke Width panel's menu - there is "Randomize profile" option. Still it's "post production", not "live" and not exactly what I meant:

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                        Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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                          VectorStyler @Harry
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                          @Harry If there are some good inspirations on how such a brush should look like, please upload here or send them to me by email.

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                            Harry
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                            Problem is, that I don't know.

                            Let's say I'd like to design some abstract pattern. I would take "Live random effect brush tool", and I would experiment and look for some inspiration from great and interesting shapes this kind of brush could produce.

                            Win 11, XP Pen Deco 01 V2 graphic tablet

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                              Subpath
                              last edited by Subpath

                              @b77, @Harry, @VectorStyler

                              Hi

                              As a source for inspiration, for modulate Strokes, the painting program
                              Black Ink came to mind.

                              "Black Ink" uses a kind of controller nodes to modulate brushes
                              to set and control random strokes and has a node system for layers.

                              0_1670593430294_Black-Ink-1.png

                              Here are some videos

                              Video about the Brush Controllers:
                              Black Ink Brush Controllers

                              Video about Black Inks Layer Nodes:
                              Black Ink Layer Nodes

                              Scattering a Brush may also be interesting
                              her a Video about it
                              Scattering a Brush with Controllers

                              Win 11
                              CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                              GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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