Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?

[Boldline]

I'm still not understanding the scale strokes and effects in VS.
99% of the time I always want to scale strokes and effects. At the risk of speaking for others, I would think most people prefer scale strokes and effects be "on" by default. If I have a rare time I need the stroke to remain the same while I scale the rest, I don't mind going into the appearance panel and adjusting it that way...
I'm trying to scale these designs and I'm getting issues because the stroke stays the same size even as I shrink the design. When I go into the appearance panel, I assumed going to the main top group that represents everything inside and changing it there would have a cascading effect on all the sublayers under it - this did not seem to be the case... so instead I need to go seek out any and every stroke I want to scale with the design and adjust them individually.... this does not seem like the most efficient way to do this...

[b77]

@Boldline I think stroke scaling is off by default because with a vector graphics app you tend to focus first on finishing the shape itself, and scaling of strokes every time you scale a shape would get in the way of this (unwanted stroke width differences) most of the time.

But I agree that enabling or disabling this should be easier.

[VectorStyler]

@Boldline said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

The Transform Stroke option set on a group (or layer) works for all child objects also.

I add the default mode to the backlog.

[Boldline]

@b77 I had not thought of that possibility - thank you for explaining. It's possible I might change my workflow to utilize that.... it's happened with many other things that were done differently in VS than I was used to lol
I got it to work now even when selecting the group it's contained in.

[Devil Dinosaur]

I agree with @Boldline since the only specific case when I need to keep the same stroke value all the time is technical drawings (such as die-cuts, blueprints). I can duplicate lines and shapes then transform their sizes without changing the stroke width.

The rest of the time I find it more practical to have a stroke that immediately adjust to the size of the shape.

[b77]

Is there any vector graphics app that has this stroke scaling behavior as the default mode of operation?

[Boldline]

@b77 I'm not sure how Adobe CC Illustrator works now, but CS6 had them off by default.

[VectorStyler]

@Boldline One thing: if you enable "Transformed Stroke" in the options of the top layer, then all objects inside will have transformed stroke.

[Subpath]

@b77

Magix Graphics Designer have a Toogle in the Context Bar
once set Strokes will be scaled even if you close and restart
the Program

i had also a quick look in CorelDraw and Affinity Designer

in CorelDraw I found a toggle in the object properties panel
where you can set this per object (of course also per group)
-- but I guess there is also a general toggle

In Affinity Designer there is a toggle in the Stroke panel
Once set, it will scale the stroke of all newly created objects/shapes

[b77]

@Subpath I'm all for an easily accessible toggle for this, but not for being the default mode of operation.

Is AI, CDR, AD and Magix Xara like this by default?

(Rhetorical question, btw).

[Boldline]

@b77 Perhaps Illustrator had things set to the novice user by default? I never had to worry about switching the strokes to scale with the object in the years I used Illustrator - but then again other things like winding path were not something that needed adjusting either

[b77]

@Boldline I have no idea if it was the novices or avoiding unwanted stroke differences you need to fix afterwards, or both, but I guess you enabled the 'Scale Strokes & Effects' option in AI's Preferences > General and forgot about it. That's why you didn't have to worry about if afterwards.

IMO it's best to have a setting for this in Preferences AND an easily accessible toggle in the Transform or Stroke panel.

[Boldline]

@b77 said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

I guess you enabled the 'Scale Strokes & Effects' option in AI's Preferences > General and forgot about it. That's why you didn't have to worry about if afterwards.

It's very possible

[Subpath]

@b77 said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

@Subpath I'm all for an easily accessible toggle for this, but not for being the default mode of operation.

Is AI, CDR, AD and Magix Xara like this by default?

(Rhetorical question, btw).

Do not know it for AI because I do not use Illustrator
(You may remember, I don't like the user interface and the handling
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To answer your question:
I would say CDR and AD definitely not.
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Magix Xara also not, in a new installation.
But as I wrote, once set it stays active even if you restart the program, until you turn it off again.
The Toogle is as I wrote in the Contex Bar and very easy to reach.
Here a Pic:

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I have no particular need for it, so I can live with a toggle
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But unfortunately I have to honestly say that the VectorStyler method of scaling strokes is,
in my eyes, the most unsual I came across
( maybe because of the roles and styles ? )
( I dont like it and haven't found, until this time, any beauty in it yet, that's why I don't use it )

in every other vector graphics program that i know, it is so much more seamless and easier.

[Boldline]

@Subpath said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

in every other vector graphics program that i know, it is so much more seamless and easier.

I'd be interested to hear what you feel would improve it and make it more of a seamless process - also what do you do instead of scaling in VS?

[VectorStyler]

@Boldline There is also a "Transformed Stroke" option in Document Setup. This will affect newly created objects.

[Subpath]

@Boldline

As i only play with graphics and try out the ideas that go around in my head.
( Dont work no longer as a professional )
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For this i use the programs that have the tools that can help me with the realization.
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Short note and praise for VS:
Since VS has so many useful and interesting tools by the way, I try most ideas in VS
since I bought a copy. (I think that says a lot)
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I don't really have a need for scaled strokes if I need it,
I just set a different stroke width

If I really need it I would try to copy my design into AD, CDR or Magic Graphics Designer
and get it done there. (or maybe solve it via the outline effects ?).

@Boldline
...I'd be interested to hear what you feel would improve it and make it more of a seamless process...

As i dont really know the Concept behind it, why it should or must work this way
(never saw something like this before)
i can not say how to streamline it
( toggle could be a first start ? )

[Boldline]

@Subpath said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

I don't really have a need for scaled strokes if I need it,
I just set a different stroke width

Maybe we are thinking of two different things? I'm talking about designing something at one size and then needing to group it and scale it up - the entire design element with fills and strokes included and wanting them to all stay relative in size to one another in the process.

[Subpath]

@Boldline said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

@Subpath said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

I don't really have a need for scaled strokes if I need it,
I just set a different stroke width

Maybe we are thinking of two different things? I'm talking about designing something at one size and then needing to group it and scale it up - the entire design element with fills and strokes included and wanting them to all stay relative in size to one another in the process.

well, dont think that we talk about different things. That you like to scale your entire design elements
in relative in size to one another, is very clear to me.
But i cant help you out in this case.
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Edited:
(well you mentioned yet effect scaling and i wrote only about stroke scaling )

i just wrote that i am not in need of this kind of scaling in VS and i dont like
to used it in VS. So if i need some different stroke width
i just set it.

[Dazmondo]

@b77 said in Can Scaling stokes and effects be on by default? Can we make it easier to switch all child sublayers by editing the setting at the parent level?:

A sticky button would be really handy for this as 90% of the time I need strokes to scale