3. Impressions about CJK implementation (1.0.023)

Impressions about CJK implementation (1.0.023)


  • First of all, I would like to express my respect and gratitude for realizing this function.

    The essence is almost complete. Functionally, I feel the potential of CS6 level.
    Each of the following features has a problem.
    I will validate these and raise another topic.
    Ruby, Kenten, Warichu, Shatai
    🎲 🎲
    The first thing to solve is the basic issue.
    In VS, with macOS IME,
    "Romaji-Kana-Kanji conversion input" is not possible.
    This issue wasn't possible from the beginning when I started using the beta version (1.0.015).
    However, I suspected that the implementation of CJK was involved, so I had to put this issue on hold.

    However,
    "Romaji-Kanji-Live Conversion" works.

    Please check it.

    My IME environment
    macOS10.15.7 add2 (Catalina)
    IME: macOS default.
    IME conversion method: Romaji-Kana-Kanji

    (Additional note)
    Please tell me the Japanese environment of the development team.
    -IME type
    -IME conversion method
    -Fonts (system fonts or vendor fonts)

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  • administrators

    @861475_VctSt Yes the CJK features are unrelated to the input method.

    I tested it with Hiragana and Katakana, these show the candidate popup.
    While developing I mostly use Hiragano Sans, Kaku and Mincho, and also test with a couple of other MacOS fonts.

    It looks like when is selected Romaji nothing happens (just inputs the latin characters).
    I have to look into this more.

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  • @vectoradmin

    I would like to upload a movie on this matter.
    However, I can't, so I'll attach it by email.

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  • administrators

    @861475_VctSt For the video it is better to use some service like recordit.co , or share it through drop box.

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  • @vectoradmin

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    （by 1.0.024）
    The mojikumi sample is ready. However, there were some obstacles that prevented me from starting work. Also, I manually trimmed the parts of VS where the corresponding function was not normal.

    a) Japanese input cannot be performed normally
    b) Some system fonts are not recognized.
    c) Character and paragraph styles do not work together correctly for reasons b)

    Avoiding problems b) and c) with vendor fonts improved style coordination. Then I started working.

    The body of the text was assembled very neatly.
    Skill was required for "ruby", "emphasis mark", and "warichū" processing. I will continue to examine and report on these in more detail.
    Especially, "ruby" and "character set" are complicated. It will be difficult to complete with Ver1. As long as the basics of these functions are established, I think that it should be improved by version upgrade.
    I also found that these processes could be replaced by VS's "individual characters tool (Shift + T)".

    VS Ver1 will implement features that Illustrator has put on hold for "more than 30 years." It may be a dream only for Asians, but I am very grateful for the enthusiasm of the developers.

    We need more people's opinions to realize the product.

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  • administrators

    @861475_VctSt What are the system fonts with the problems?

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  • @vectoradmin

    👆
    Primarily
    / System / Library / Fonts
    What cannot be used here
    HiraginoKakuGothic W0 ~ W9.ttc
    HiraginoMaruGothicProN W4.ttc

    ✌
    Secondly
    System fonts quarantined by macOS version upgrade
    There are many other pre-Yosemite fonts out there.
    / System / Library / AssetsV2 / com_apple_MobileAsset_Font6

    YuGothic-Medium.otf
    ToppannBunkyu
    TukushiAmaru
    TukushiBmaru
    Yumintyou
    Hannoteto
    etc. lots

    👀
    VS is reading these in Manager.
    However, these were evacuated by Apple's policy, so they probably cannot be used commercially due to copyright issues.
    I recognize that it is better not to use it for anything other than screen display.
    This matter requires accurate confirmation.

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  • administrators

    @861475_VctSt An other way to add fonts to VectorStyler, without installing it into MacOS:

    • copy the fonts into a a user created folder (can be anywhere).
    • select Font Manager in the Text menu (somewhere at the bottom).
    • click Add Folder and select the user folder created earlier.

    In this way VS can access the fonts, without installing it to the system. Of course it only works if VS recognizes the font format.

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  • @vectoradmin

    Report on the following items (ver.1.0.027)

    x) Japanese conversion bug

    a) tate-chu-yoko
    b) kenten
    c) shatai
    d) ruby
    e) warichu

    f) mojikumi
    g) kinsoku

    Material data (up to cloud)
    -Input bug: mov
    -Document: VS

    x)
    issue: Blanks are entered when using the input mode selection keys (eiji, kana).
    Corrective action: It should be corrected so that blanks are not input when switching the input mode. (Cf. Mov)
    Other previous issues have been fixed.

    a)
    issue: A little space appears on the characters.
    Isn't the origin of the alphabet aligned with the full-width frame?
    First-aid measures: Shift up to about 200/1000 and resolve.

    b)
    Unfinished, but durable for general use.
    issue: The default character is not partially reproduced. Dot, Fill Circle, Lozenge
    Character input does not fully support Japanese "itaiji".
    It's a feature that isn't used often, so I think it's better to mature it over time.

    c)
    Horizontal composition: adjust rotation has been fixed.
    Almost completed

    d)
    Generally good.
    groupe> center: As a graphic application, it would be great if this could be done. After that, I think that it should be aged over time.

    Items to consider: Need to visualize the subsumption relationship of nested setting items.
    Inclusive relation display of nest items such as Font and Size is not implemented.
    I want you to be able to see it.
    When Rubi is set in VS, if "Arial" is displayed in the dialog, it will be ignored if it is set to HugenoMin in character style.

    In InDesign, inherited items are displayed as horizontal bars or blanks.
    Ideally it should be like this.

    This issue is the same for kenten.

    e)
    issue: Horizontal composition; Aligned with the European baseline. It appears to shift above the full-width center.

    f), g)
    Incomplete but working fine. I think it would be good to take time to complete the aging.
    These features are important.
    However, only some people, such as typesetting team leaders and font designers, can customize it accurately. General users divert those made by these trusted people.

    General request
    When using the text tool, the function once used is inherited.
    I want a function to clear all at once.

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  • administrators

    @861475_VctSt Send me a link to the cloud files. Thanks!

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  • @861475_VctSt

    The above post is
    It should have been uploaded to "CJK, Japanese observation (1.0.024 ~)".
    Next time, I will create a new topic. Please read as it is.

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