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      Subpath
      last edited by Subpath

      @Raaskot , @marce

      Back in the days, I would trace such bitmaps by hand.
      I used also the Corel Image Tracer, but it wasn't always helpful.

      One way I see to potentially alleviate the problem is to use an image
      upscaler, which allows for a higher resolution and might therefore produce
      better results in VS.

      Here's a very good, free one.
      https://www.vectorstyler.com/forum/topic/3033/upscayl-win-mac-free-open-source-upscaler/7

      Win 11
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      GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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        marce @Subpath
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        @Subpath Well, i used a very high res image, you say it will improve using something so big?

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          Subpath @marce
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          @marce

          Well, I don't know the Resolution.
          But whether it brings an improvement can easily be determined by trying it out.

          Win 11
          CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
          GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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            marce @Subpath
            last edited by marce

            @Subpath said in How to configure the image tracer?:

            @marce

            Well, I don't know the Resolution.
            But whether it brings an improvement can easily be determined by trying it out.

            Hi Subpath. I made a test. With low res image to high res. It is here. Even the results are better, always is added some distortion:

            https://icedrive.net/s/ZF5TyWig1T56gW32TFW1C792WkRV

            0_1765737368857_5902ac77-3235-442c-a684-5c2c5d088459-image.png

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              marce @marce
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              @marce said in How to configure the image tracer?:

              @Subpath said in How to configure the image tracer?:

              @marce

              Well, I don't know the Resolution.
              But whether it brings an improvement can easily be determined by trying it out.

              Hi Subpath. I made a test. With low res image to high res. It is here. Even the results are better, always is added some distortion:

              https://icedrive.net/s/ZF5TyWig1T56gW32TFW1C792WkRV

              I made the same test with inkscape to take some reference. The accuracy improves a little with higher rest, but is not so dependent as can be seen here:

              https://icedrive.net/s/kDgWzBfiXwVWwXNAVABPFwCNwG7G

              0_1765737430786_03038178-bc17-4900-a6c5-1c0e8969f75e-image.png

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                Subpath @marce
                last edited by Subpath

                @marce

                Well, when I talk about better resolution, I mean the difference between the
                left and the right side. Significantly less jagged edges.

                The part on the right is magnified 4x using Upscayler.
                Which can magnify up to 16x.

                0_1765740368121_Unterschied.png
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                Here's my tracing result from Corel Tracer based on
                the 4x magnified image. I choose "Logo" as the tracing mode.

                0_1765740411959_corel Tracer.png
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                By the way, since "sd" is repeated, I only enlarged and traced those
                two letters.

                0_1765740573625_sd_upscayl_4x_upscayl-standard-4x.png

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                  marce @Subpath
                  last edited by marce

                  @Subpath Nice results in Corel. Minimum amount of Nodes, and a very editable shape. In inkscape -i take it as reference, since their trace module is very good imho- this is are the results of the very low image you shared:
                  0_1765742689021_6dc862d4-ef8c-45b7-a775-15dd4d52def2-image.png
                  Must said, are very good, taking account of the low res source.
                  Using the good res last image you uploaded, tweaking the smooth corners and optimize, i got similar results in inkscape to Corel:
                  0_1765742844428_f78e40d3-1534-45b5-ba58-dbe56c7cd3a7-image.png

                  So, i believe that really is not necessary so high res images as source, but some kind of optimization of the trace process in VS.

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                    Subpath @marce
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                    @marce

                    I would say you need both.
                    High resolution, to me, means the smoothest possible contours,
                    as jagged outlines negatively affect the result of a tracing.

                    I haven't spent much time with VS Tracer yet. But I think the results
                    may also be improved by adjusting the settings a bit.

                    Win 11
                    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                    GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                      marce @Subpath
                      last edited by marce

                      @Subpath Well, low res images are better in some cases. Look in the sample below. This is an old scanned Capital letter β€”from etc.usf.edu. The original source is very rough. In the case you want to conserve the original roughnes is ok to use the High Res image. But if you want a smooth and flowing drawing, a low res will make the trick. The first Z at the right, in red, is a nice result, and it comes from the low res image. The High res trace result is exact, but not what i want, that is, a kind of vectorizing photo retouching.
                      0_1765745188743_8450fda1-b2b7-4a5a-8bbf-6bcb6c75cfcb-image.png
                      This both results are using the same settings, in inkscape, but the change is the resolution of the source image.

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                        Subpath @marce
                        last edited by Subpath

                        @marce

                        Well, that's due to the smoothing algorithm of the vector tracer. I think a slightly
                        better result could perhaps be achieved with the high-resolution version using
                        slightly different settings for smoothing.

                        I would have vectorized the template you created here by tracing a simple line
                        in the middle of the contour (Corel Trace has a mode for this) and then
                        assigning an appropriate line weight.

                        I've created a lot of bitmap traces professionally (in digital printing).
                        Many by hand, because the trace results were too poor. I can't recall a
                        single instance where I would have preferred a low-resolution bitmap
                        version if I had the choice.

                        Win 11
                        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6-core.
                        GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5070.

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                          Raaskot
                          last edited by Raaskot

                          @VectorStyler
                          @marce
                          @Subpath

                          Just to let you know, that I appreciate your input a lot. It gave me some ideas what to try out ie. using upscalers.

                          I gave up Inkscape for VS back then (mainly due to supported color profiles and more familiar UI), but remember that the autotracer performed quite nicely.

                          Thanks😊

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                            Subpath @Raaskot
                            last edited by Subpath

                            @Raaskot

                            your always welcome
                            nice to hear that this ideas was helpful

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